honda0105
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 6:01:16 AM
somehow we are heading down the Roman way in an ever accelerating manner. The filibustering is just one outward symptom.
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Martinman
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:24:51 PM
FILIBUSTER
Ever heard the word?
Since the Republicans lost control of Congress in '06 (the Republicans controlled the House, Senate, and White House from 2000-2006), Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) has essentially filibustered 100% of the legislation that has been attempted in the Senate.
Historically, the filibuster was meant as a 'means of last resort', what some use to refer to as the 'nuclear option'. It was a Senate procedure that was only to be used when what the majority party was doing something that was so agregious, that the Senate Bill or Senate appointment was filibuster by the minority party. It was a form of protest by the minority party within the Senate.
What it entailed, was during the debate, literally tying up the debate by speaking non-stop. Entire sections of the bible have been read. One Senator started at "A" in the dictionary and began reading... line, after line, after line. But it was a rarely used Senate procedure,... until the last five years.
Since 2006, the Senate Republicans have invoked the filibuster so much, that the Senate has done away with the actual process. The minority now only needs to advise the Senate of it's *intent* to fillibuster a debate. Anyone remember the Star Trek episode "A Taste of Armageddon"? In many ways, that is what the Senate has become.
A filibuster can only be defeated by procedural vote, called cloture. It requires not a majority, but a super-majority of three-fifths vote, which then changes the rules of debate, allowing the Bill to [eventually] proceed to vote.
So, unless the Majority party holds a minimum of 60 seats (assuming no defections), cloture can be used to override the filibuster procedure.
[Edited by: Martinman at 2/23/2012 8:33:57 PM EST]
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BurntOrange
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 2:22:45 PM
highdesertman wrote:
"I totally agree. Having a Democratic majority in both the House and the Senate will allow President Obama to get some things done and will stop these kinds of childish political games."
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If that were to happen, no doubt we'd get the glowing success we had from 2008-2010 when Democrats held the White House and both houses of Congress.
The electorate showed just how happy they were in the 2010 elections.
In the Senate, Republicans had the biggest gains for either party in any election since 1994, while holding onto every contested seat.
In the House, Democrats held 255 seats prior to the election, and 193 after the election.
[Edited by: BurntOrange at 2/23/2012 2:24:05 PM EST]
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honda0105
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 6:06:13 AM
so, car253, you are saying if there are major problems warranting a tapping of the SPR? Why do we have it then?
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car253
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 8:12:23 PM
Good move, we should not be tapping the reserve.
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LetemEatCake
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 6:34:08 PM
I wonder how long it is going to take for these geniuses figure out the reserve exists for “a severe disruption in supply". The Strategic Petroleum Reserve was designed for energy emergencies, not political convenience.
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gknee09
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 6:33:27 PM
so they have the ability to lower gas prices by releasing some reserve and they choose to make us spend more money when we don't have it because?
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Alfied
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 4:40:28 PM
They'll try anything.
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Pete12
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 3:55:22 PM
This is a great idea.
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teafortwo
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 3:39:00 PM
BIG OIL & GAS love us
Will these BIG GREED puppets stop at nothing to serve their puppet masters?
Look at what is in the back pockets of your favorite politicians.
Yes, we get it. BIG OIL has given politicians a LOT of money to give them what they want.
How about all the elected politicians take a break from serving BIG OIL and actually do something that benefits the taxpaying citizens for a change?
And for a real change of pace, start working together instead of just blocking everything the "other" party attempts to accomplish?
BIG OIL & GAS love us
[Edited by: teafortwo at 2/20/2012 3:40:18 PM EST]
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GatorGuy
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 3:14:29 PM
Let's sell off some politicians to pay for gas.
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Ken2OD
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 1:43:45 PM
Damned politics again!
What does 'politics' mean? 'Poly' is a combining form with the meaning of much or many. A 'tic' is a bloodsucking arachnid having a barbed proboscis for attachment to the skin - some are disease vectors. Yup, this fits most of the politician people I know who work in Washington D.C.
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nj2000ng
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 1:16:28 PM
whatever
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SkyWarnTX
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 1:05:53 PM
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Here is a GasBuddy CHART that CONFIRMS that the NATURAL PRICE of a GALLON of GASOLINE is only $1.50... see the DIP where SPECULATORS FLEE the OIL FUTURES MARKET.
The DIP and UPWARD TRENDS on the GasBuddy CHART IN BOTH CASES where the UPWARD TRENDS occur are where SPECULATORS PILE BACK IN. When the SPECULATORS BUBBLE BURSTS again, there will be another PLUNGE soon and the CYCLE will REPEAT.
BECAUSE the SPECULATORS NEVER TAKE DELIVERY of their OIL on PAPAER FUTURES CONTRACTS, the PRICE will rise until the MARKET is unable to BEAR it and GASOLINE will return to it's NATURAL VALUE of $1.50 a gallon.
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There is NO SHORTAGE of REFINED GASOLINE in the U.S., only an OVERABUNDANCE of SPECULATOR GREED in the OIL FUTURES MARKET, bidding up the PRICE of OIL CONTRACTS, that INVESTOR NEVER TAKE DELIVERY OF.
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DRILL BABY DRILL then EXPORT somewhere else does not make any sense. U.S. OIL Companies Export 117 million gallons per day of Refined GASOLINE... from the U.S. away to OTHER COUNTRIES... to keep the price up...
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[Edited by: SkyWarnTX at 2/20/2012 1:08:22 PM EST]
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SkyWarnTX
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 1:01:17 PM
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MANIPULATING the OIL MARKET is a RICH MAN's GAME, played on the BACKS of WORKING AMERICANS.
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Dr. Mark Cooper of the Consumer Federation of America explains how speculation has driven up oil prices more than China's demand has. – C-SPAN
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WALL STREET INVESTORS have moved out of FINANCIAL STOCKS into OIL FUTURES that have moved BILLIONS of DOLLARS to BUY UP OIL SUPPLIES in the form of OIL FUTURES to BET that OIL will be higher in MONTHLY BLOCKS but they NEVER TAKE DELIVERY instead SPECULATORS continuously ROLLOVER their DELIVERY DATE to the NEXT MONTH. – See this REPORT from KTLA
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JCI46009IN
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 12:59:30 PM
another reason Lugar should have been retired 10 years ago!
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gumbyrex
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 12:45:38 PM
What a chess match! Your move Obama.
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zimowski
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 12:39:50 PM
Obama needs to explain the basis for his actions to the American people.
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jerryjay11
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 12:32:03 PM
Like I stated earlier, talk to the Big "O". Or overrule him. This issue alone baffles me. Why stop production on something that will create jobs and reduce our reliance on foreign oil? Where is his head at? Probably some dark space!
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TheDix
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 12:28:04 PM
Senators are underworked and over paid.Their pay cheques should not exceed $50'000/annually for the job performance rating of present.
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PerSonneL
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 12:21:26 PM
keep trying
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dynamouse
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 12:18:10 PM
get rid of obama
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jerej829
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 12:13:48 PM
Build it already.
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Cheepo
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 12:13:08 PM
Build that pipeline already!!!!!!!
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StraKat
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 12:12:00 PM
What a circus this whole administration is.
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nwsynthetics
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 12:11:59 PM
c'mon people
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bluetatanka
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 12:11:57 PM
Let's do what's right for the country!
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GAS1251
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 12:10:26 PM
Oil went up the last time we released reserves.
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krobp46
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 12:10:11 PM
Obama is only doing what is positive for his election campaign, instead of his job.
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Martinman
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 12:08:30 PM
slvrdo_dsprdo from nashville posted...
"... Just wait until November, guys. Just focus on getting Obama out of office. The only way you're going to get any traction on this is to get somebody more favorable in the White House."
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And the only way you're going to get anything out of Congress, is to remove the obstructionist party - the Grandstanding Obstructionists Party.
[Edited by: Martinman at 2/20/2012 12:11:13 PM EST]
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honkerman
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 12:08:04 PM
I totally agree TopGun
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JSX515
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 12:07:50 PM
just impeach him
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TopGunn
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 12:06:08 PM
The SPR is supposed to be used for true emergency situations.
Supply and price manipulation do not constitute an emergency by any normal persons perspective.
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slvrdo_dsprdo
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 12:06:06 PM
"legislation that would bar the Obama administration from using the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve unless TransCanada Corp.’s Keystone XL pipeline is approved."
Bad idea; then you'd tie their hands if there was a real supply disruption.
"the U.S. might release oil from the reserve to limit a recent jump in oil prices"
Doesn't work, and that's not the purpose of it anyway.
Just wait until November, guys. Just focus on getting Obama out of office. The only way you're going to get any traction on this is to get somebody more favorable in the White House.
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seahawks
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 12:04:36 PM
interesting article to read!!!
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Martinman
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 12:02:56 PM
highdesertman from Albuquerque posted in reply...
> "ironbox sara writes "November can't come soon enough."
I totally agree. Having a Democratic majority in both the House and the Senate will allow President Obama to get some things done and will stop these kinds of childish political games."
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What was Churchill famously stated? "... that those who failed to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it".
Given that the approval rating for the White House has been climbing (50% to 51% in the latest polls) and Congress continues to languish at little more than 1/3 that, the "change" they're mocking and the change they're hoping for, may not be the change they want.
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sammynorge
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 12:01:42 PM
Current Republican leadership is comprised of complete idiots who worship money. Unfortunately, there are many Democrats who fit right in with them.
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payogie
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 12:01:18 PM
Ok.
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jd4230
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 12:01:11 PM
Hell people do what is best for the country and not policits
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GordoM
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 12:00:57 PM
Although it probably is good politics to link Keystone to our energy security in public's mind, we should not limit strategic reserve flexibility. That defeats its purpose. No longer strategic.
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TXGasPriceSpy
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 12:00:04 PM
We CAN make a difference. Vote in 2012.
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kuma2000
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 11:59:01 AM
let it flow.
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CPGas1815
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 11:58:47 AM
Senate Repulicants can go to hell as far as I am concerned. The Party of "BIG OIL", the party of "TAX BREAKS" for Millionaires and Billionaires is going to lose big in November.
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HankJ
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 11:57:04 AM
this might work
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SandeeC
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 11:56:53 AM
This sounds like a little bit of blackmail to me! And not a successful record of it working, as others have pointed out.
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nds76
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 11:56:44 AM
We need this Keystone XL Pipeline.
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EMoe57
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 11:56:41 AM
AMEN highdesertman
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HawaiianGuy
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 11:56:31 AM
Pffft! Carney and Obama; idiots joined at the hip. "This administration never takes options off the table." The only option that spendthrift knows how to utilize is spending MORE. Must be nice to spend other peoples' money (and their grandchildren's, too). This guy's nothing but a LIAR and a THIEF!
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cmsense
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 11:54:39 AM
How Special!!! Another Family Values Repugnant(David Vitter-Sexually Cheats on his wife) is sponsoring this BIG OIL PUSHED LEGISLATION!!! Certainly no chance of shaming anyone in the Repugnant Party!!!! SHAMELESS HYPOCRITES!!!!
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puckster5
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 11:53:55 AM
boring
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