sonicmustang
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Alberta
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 4:00:59 AM
I would not pay extra
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achung53
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Orange County
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:46:58 AM
I would not pay extra
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reeder2012
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Oklahoma City
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Message Posted: Jun 30, 2012 12:20:36 PM
I keep track of every gallon and every mile. The figures and arithmetic show that PURE GASOLINE goes 9% farther in my automobiles when compared to the ethanol-gas mix commonly available. The cars seem to run a little better as a bonus.
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Sumflow
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Honolulu
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Message Posted: May 14, 2012 7:03:45 AM
How do we know what we are getting now?
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Tanner_1
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Virginia Beach
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Message Posted: Jan 21, 2012 11:31:02 AM
I would not pay extra. Ethanol is a big problem for engines.
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libman
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South Carolina
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2012 11:20:14 PM
4-8¢/gallon or 1-2¢/litre
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dongo50
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West Virginia
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2011 7:08:07 AM
www.pure-gas.org
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dongo50
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West Virginia
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2011 6:40:18 AM
i paid $3.45 for e0 90 octane. 87 e10 runs $3.39-$3.42, 89 e10 runs $3.49-$3.52. i will pay the difference.
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pcprof
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Austin
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2011 2:51:59 AM
8-16¢/gallon or 2-4¢/litre
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billyredwing
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Washington DC
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2011 11:41:03 AM
I would definitely pay more and have paid more for fuel without ethanol. In the midwest they have a choice of unleaded without ethanol (nominally 87 octane) or midgrade gas with ethanol (89 octance) that is 10-20 cents per gallon cheaper. So you get a higher octance with less energy and reduced gas mileage with the ethanol enhanced gas. Can someone help me understand why DC doesn't get the same choice as the midwest?
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jjohne
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Mississippi
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2011 8:39:51 AM
I have a 2009 Ford Edge, I get 17 MPG using "E10" (thats about 25% to 30% ethanol)and get 22 to 24 MPG using E0 fuel,, so I will pay 25% more but I don't think you can trust the E rating on the fuel. The lower the price the less MPG, ethanol is about $1.90 per gallon, so go figure.
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tjc09f
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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2011 9:37:45 AM
I would not pay extra
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HFAJR0034
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New Mexico
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2011 8:32:51 PM
yes
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nighttrainsmity
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Worcester
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2011 9:55:23 PM
I'd pay whatever they asked ... if I could only find it!! Here in the "peoples republic of MA" the gov't has decided, per usual, what "we the people" should use for fuel.
I read some of these posts & can't believe how easily you have all been duped!!
Fact #1: ethanol has less BTU's of energy per gallon of pure gasoline. Therefore, it is IMPOSSIBLE to get better MPG's with ANY PERCENTAGE of ethanol than with pure gasoline. 1+1 can't equal 3 no matter how you spin it. Laws of physics are set in stone.
Fact #2: pumps are posted "contains 10% ethanol". So - do you really believe that? In actuality, you are getting upward of 20%!! If you drive a Flex-Fuel vehicle & have access to a OBD-II scan tool, check the alcohol content the tool reads. I got 19.6% from Hess in Holden. The whole reason I checked was due to the lack of power & mileage I was noticing on this particular fillup. The 19.6% ethanol content was all I needed to know. The station pays for x amount of gallons of pure gasoline at the going rate, then cuts it 20% with cheap ethanol. They make out. ALSO - you WILL BE BACK SOONER because your getting LESS MPG's!! Total scam!!
Why don't I hear anyone complaining about this scam the democrat-run state of Massachusetts has been perpetuating for years???
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PusaKuting
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Ottawa
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Message Posted: Jul 8, 2011 8:46:25 PM
I won't pay extra
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777Aviator
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St. Louis
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2011 5:22:06 PM
Not pay extra
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Ibagrandma
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California
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2011 3:07:43 PM
Humm.......I don't want to pay what I pay now for E10 so nothing extra........
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bowler93
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Pennsylvania
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2011 9:11:44 AM
none; my vehicles run fine on E10
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HardeepWA
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Tacoma
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2011 12:46:08 AM
No.
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celia2011
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Illinois
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Message Posted: May 20, 2011 12:20:27 PM
I would not pay extra
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van44m
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Massachusetts
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2011 3:26:24 PM
I wouldn't pay extra unless I could show the change in mileage was worth it.
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DB2008
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Winnipeg
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2011 8:41:41 AM
Quote:I read lots of stuff about pros and cons. And was confused by the whole thing. So I ran 3 tanks of each in my car to figure out if I could tell the difference. The E10 got better gas mileage than E0. So I tried to figure out why. The best info I could find was some stuff about octane. Because the E10 has a little higher octane than the E0 it performs better. Here the price is the same. So it looks like a bargain.
Where did you find E0 in Winnipeg? We haven't had it in over 5 years.
I believe all gas in Canada (Except premium) has a minimum of 5% ethanol.
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DB2008
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Winnipeg
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2011 8:24:34 AM
quote:Unless your vehicle is older than 1980 (or 1995 if it's a diesel), your car's fuel system is already ethanol-ready and isn't going to be harmed by it anyway.
Then why does the owners manual for my 2008 vehicle say not to use anything above e10 since the fuel system is not designed for ethanol?
Just to let you in on something most of us already know: The government lies to us.
[Edited by: DB2008 at 4/9/2011 8:26:54 AM EST]
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DB2008
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Winnipeg
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2011 10:44:34 AM
Since I lose about 10% in fuel millage, I could pay up to 10% more and I'd break even.
Let's face it, the government is not going to let this go. To much money to be made in ethanol (at our expense).
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HFAJR0034
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New Mexico
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Message Posted: Apr 5, 2011 6:42:29 PM
no
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bytebug
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Orange County
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2011 5:00:31 PM
>> E10 ... generally results in better mileage.
That's complete BS... According to the US Department of Energy, E10 absolutely reduces your gas mileage.
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HFAJR0034
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New Mexico
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2011 4:31:13 PM
NO
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BalooUriza
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Tulsa
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2011 5:24:53 PM
I wouldn't. E10 is better for the environment, cleans your tank, reduces condensation in the tank, and generally results in better mileage. Unless your vehicle is older than 1980 (or 1995 if it's a diesel), your car's fuel system is already ethanol-ready and isn't going to be harmed by it anyway.
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ArizonaDan
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Missouri
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2011 10:28:42 AM
Am I missing something? From what I've read, you get 10-15% better mileage using E0 rather that E10. With gas at $3.50 per gallon, it seems to me that if E0 was $.44 higher per gallon, you would spend the same amount of cash to get from point A to Point B.
The use of Ethanol in our gas is just a political payoff to the corn farmers. Just look at the Farm Bill, the politicians that wrote it, and where their campaign money comes from. Follow the buck.
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deckhand
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Florida
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2011 7:11:03 PM
I have several motorized vehicles, small tools and boats that are not ethanol compatible, so I would pay whatever it took to get regular gasoline. Fortunately for me, unadulterated gasoline is reasonably easy to find on the west coast more than it is in the midwest or back east.
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sdroadwarrior
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San Diego
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2011 8:08:07 PM
I would pay $.10 more per gallon, which I would more than make up with better mpg's and a few extra hp doesn't hurt either.
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Tawana2011
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Las Vegas
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2011 11:30:56 AM
No extra
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Tawana2011
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Las Vegas
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2011 10:14:09 AM
yes
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wrunner
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Virginia
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2011 12:27:59 AM
I would not pay extra - gas prices are high enough as it is.
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HFAJR0034
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New Mexico
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2011 11:44:54 PM
nothing
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rjr54
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Winnipeg
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2011 9:16:05 AM
I read lots of stuff about pros and cons. And was confused by the whole thing. So I ran 3 tanks of each in my car to figure out if I could tell the difference. The E10 got better gas mileage than E0. So I tried to figure out why. The best info I could find was some stuff about octane. Because the E10 has a little higher octane than the E0 it performs better. Here the price is the same. So it looks like a bargain.
Ethically I am not sure we should make ethanol from corn while so many people starve every day. Of course it is the same old story, the poor cannot afford to feed themselves.
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bja0030
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New Mexico
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Message Posted: Dec 23, 2010 6:32:11 PM
YES
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dongo50
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West Virginia
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2010 11:44:27 PM
na
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mrblkdetroit
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Detroit
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2010 1:37:35 AM
No extra
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HFAJR0034
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New Mexico
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2010 9:02:50 PM
Y
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tjpTX
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Texas
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2010 2:09:54 PM
4-8¢/gallon or 1-2¢/litre
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sparky1966
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Ontario
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2010 8:43:09 PM
I wouldn't pay more
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svtom
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Indiana
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2010 10:12:15 PM
Of course, only one station chain gives you this choice. Others have a sticker on the pump that says "may contain ethanol" May contain ethanol? How about just say so or not.
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svtom
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Indiana
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2010 10:05:40 PM
Oddly enough,here in southern Indiana,we have two ethanol factories(stills?)and E85 is 10 to 15% HIGHER than E0! Go figure.
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Z51Corvette
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Austin
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Message Posted: Nov 1, 2010 1:20:05 AM
I wouldn't pay more... I'd pay less, because it costs MORE to use Ethanol as a fuel.
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OzManGasMan
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Detroit
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2010 11:41:49 AM
Hey ragnarkar, good job on providing a simple explanation on the cost benefit on E0 vs E10 gas. It would be nice if GasBuddy would have a link to show gas stations that do provide E0 gas for us that would rather use it in our cars and in our lawn mowers.
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radarman
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Florida
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2010 8:41:36 AM
I would not pay extra.
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CrackedLCD
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Alabama
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2010 2:04:10 AM
Don't buy gas, but would only pay extra if it netted some benefit over E10, like increased mileage or smoother/better performance. I don't have much experience with gas engines, but it seems that full gas *does* make a noticeable difference in mileage and performance in at least one car I've driven, but the change wasn't enough to make the price offset or hassle of finding a pump worthwhile.
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egd
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Twin Cities
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2010 10:28:22 PM
I dont have any "toys" that need it
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AnObserver
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New Jersey
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2010 10:26:40 PM
Without the threat of engine damage, a gallon of ethanol contains less energy that a gallon of gasoline
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